Despite the propaganda, there is no scientifically valid health reason to avoid animal foods. Here are 5 reasons why vegan diets are a terrible idea.
I got into a ‘debate’ with a vegan today. While I was debating, he was throwing logical fallacies around, begging the question, providing false dilemmas and sticking his fingers in his ears while flopping down red herrings.
I am in no way patronizing vegans, but just as it bothers me when creationists say young earth creationism is science (and try to teach it as fact to ignorant people/children), it bothers me when vegans say their way of eating is the healthiest (and try to teach it as fact to ignorant people/children). It is certainly a step above the S.A.D (standard american diet: where you eat fast food three times a week and 31% more packaged food than fresh food). However those are not the only two ways humans can feed themselves (false dichotomy). Anyway, the article really says everything I have to say, so read that instead.
I don’t have the energy right now to handle this argument, but I just wanted to share this post since it was in the vegan tag. Please followers with more energy and willingness to look things up right now, refute this argument because it is so terribly done.
Alright, it’s time to respond to this. apostatecrusader and I squabbled over who would have to do the tedious job, and it looks like the task goes to me. It’s going to be
brief and to the point.whoops
Claim 1: Vegans are deficient in “important nutrients”
Evidence A: “one study showing that a whopping 92% of vegans are deficient in this critical nutrient (b12)”
Debunking A: The study they link to in order to prove this claim also says this in the abstract: “However, their complete blood count values did not deviate greatly from those found for nonvegetarians” meaning that the “whopping” 92% of vegans who are deficient in b12 is the same percentage of the general population that is deficient in b12. b12 deficiency is very common. Vitamin b12 in animal products comes from the animal’s dietary habits, just as it would for a vegan consuming sources of b12. This means that unless the animal is eating high amounts of bacteria, which is generally frowned upon by standardized / factory farming, there is no notable source of b12 in the resulting food product. “Neither fungi, plants, nor animals are capable of producing vitamin B12. Only bacteria and archaea have the enzymes required for its synthesis, although many foods are a natural source of B12 because of bacterial symbiosis.” (source) Animals used for consumption do not generate the vitamin b12.
Evidence B: “Animal protein has all the essential amino acids… Vegans don’t get any animal protein, which can have negative effects on body composition”.
Debunking B: Here is a list of “12 Complete Vegan/Vegetarian Proteins”. A “complete protein" is a food that basically has every essential amino acid. For those who do not feel like eating these 12 foods every day, the simple idea of "protein combining" - eating your essential amino acids in different foods - is available. "Strict protein combining is not necessary; it is more important to eat a varied diet throughout the day." For more information on vegan and vegetarian protein, click here.
Evidence C, D, and E: Vegans don’t eat creatine, carsonine, or proper forms of omega-3 fatty acids.
Debunking C, D, and E: "Creatine is not an essential nutrient, as it is manufactured in the human body from L-arginine, glycine, and L-methionine." If you look up what is needed for the body to produce creatine, you will find that the general population does not need to supplement any of these in their diet. Using the diet to supplement carsonine has in studies produced more negative than positive results.
Claim 2: There are no studies showing that veganism is better than any other diet.
Debunking 2 in general: there doesn’t need to be a study showing that veganism is better in order to prove that veganism isn’t terrible. Let’s suppose that veganism is no better or worse for your health than an animal-based diet. This would only mean that there are no health reasons why one should not go vegan. The health benefits of veganism do not have to be so superior to justify being vegan for ethical reasons.
Evidence A: “the Atkins diet causes greater improvements in pretty much all health markers”
Debunking A (source):
- Dr. Robert Eckel of the American Heart Association says that high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets put people at risk of heart disease. A long term study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2006 found that while women on low-carb diets were generally healthier than those on high-carbohydrate diets, women eating more protein and fat from vegetable sources, rather than from animal sources, had a lower risk of heart disease.
- A 2001 scientific review conducted by Freedman et al. and published in the peer reviewed scientific journal Obesity Research concluded that low-carb dieters’ initial advantage in weight loss was a result of increased water loss, and that after the initial period, low-carbohydrate diets produce similar fat loss to other diets with similar caloric intake.
- The May 2004 Annals of Internal Medicine study showed that “minor adverse effects” of diarrhea, general weakness, rashes and muscle cramps “were more frequent in the low-carbohydrate diet group”.
Evidence B (direct quote): “Now, there are some studies showing health benefits and lower mortality in vegetarians and vegans, such as the Seventh-Day Adventist Studies (21, 22). The problem with these studies is that they are so-called observational studies. These types of studies can only demonstrate correlation, not causation. The vegetarians are probably healthier because they are more health conscious overall, eat more vegetables… It has nothing to do with avoiding animal foods.”
Debunking B: See Evidence B. (But seriously, they just admitted there’s evidence for vegetarians and vegans being healthy and this health having strong correlations to their diet.) For an article that first claims vegans were so unhealthy, it’s doing a bad job being consistent, as it just said vegetarians and vegans are healthier.
Claim 3: Proponents of Vegan Diets Use Fear-Mongering to Promote Cause
Debunking 3: Whether or not some people lie about vegan diets has nothing to do with a factual analysis of how healthy plant-based eating is. This claim is basically “veganism is bad because somebody lied to me!” which doesn’t make any sense. The perceived honesty of individual people matters much less than the following fact:
"A 2009 review of recent research indicated that vegan diets tend to be higher in dietary fibre, magnesium, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, iron and phytochemicals, and lower in calories, saturated fat, cholesterol, long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D, calcium, zinc and vitamin B12. Well-planned vegan diets appear to offer protection against certain degenerative conditions, including heart disease, and as of 2013 were regarded as appropriate for all stages of the life-cycle by the American Dietetic Association, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, and Dietitians of Canada."
Claim 4: Vegan diets might only work in the short term, not long term
Evidence A: (Paraphrased) If vegans online say that they feel healthier after going vegan, this is anecdotal evidence. It’s not real science. Furthermore, vegans also “recommend that people avoid added sugars, refined carbohydrates, processed vegetable oils and trans fats. Then they suggest that people stop smoking and start exercising. There are so many confounders here that can easily explain all the beneficial effects.”
Debunking A: Plant-based dieters may advocate this, or vegans on a diet, but plant-based eating does not entail living an extremely health-oriented lifestyle. Many vegans eat average diets that include sugars, carbs, processed oils and trans fats. Many vegans just on tumblr like to be known as “junk food vegans”. Vegan pizza, ice cream, and burgers are sold in grocery stores, and hey, somebody’s eating them. Not all vegans are extreme fitspo health-addicts. But most are healthier than the average omnivore. You know, just anecdotally speaking.
Claim 5: There are no health reasons to avoid animal foods
Reblogging with the additional note that Soycrates is much better at this sort of thing than I am; while her response was to thoroughly explain why the article is wrong, my response was to literally punch my laptop.
beautiful response by soycrates, thank you!!!
A kitty in Nasturtiums
Also I pooped so I’m feeling pretty darn good I call this day a success aside from having 2 ladies put their fingers in my vag and butthole
Actually when I put it like that my day seems even better
apparently my hips are extremely misaligned and my asshole muscles are all fucked up and I realized I don’t actually know how to poop!! They were telling me “act like u tryna poop” and I was like “……am I not? How do I do this? My asshole can’t relax when ur wrist deep inside it.”
Doctor had to feel up my asshole very very intimately like all the crevices, she touched places i didnt even know existed!!!!!! And I had to poop so it was making me need to poop more….. it was not much fun
Ivan and I were about to have sex he was just about to put it in when we got interrupted by some guy and then a whole bunch of lil kids came in and gave us weed and left and then a whole bunch of adult ppl came in too and I was trying to load the weed in a pipe and it turned out that some of it was just parsley and leaves the kids found and tore up but some was also actual weed.
I’m really sad because that would have been an amazing sex dream
none of the ones I got described me at all whatsoever, but this is really cute
This may be one of the cutest personality quizzes we’ve seen lately <3
Take the quiz to learn a little more about yourself and some natural herbal remedies!
It would be great for everything to be “even” wouldn’t it? But how is that possible when this society was built by torturing of blacks and Natives. Whites have never actually “apologized” for slavery. They simply just say they “feel bad” and then try to erase the evil things they did. Blacks were forced to work for 200+ years without education, salary, land of their own. While whites were given that, so when slavery ended it was like whites had been training all year for a race and were prepared while blacks were just getting back from a serious injury.
Also do you realize that black babies were used as gator bait to lure alligators. They would tie them to a tree, toss them in the water, or put them in cages. Do you know anything about the horrific acts that were committed against blacks?
They don’t even teach black history in schools. “apologize and honor black people” White people are honored 365 days a year. Why is it a problem that another race is being honored? Lets be real here America was built by the slaughtering Natives Americans and the forced free labor from blacks. Whites did the paper work. I’ll admit whites did build cool inventions but, we would have to research the truth behind it since there has been cases of whites taking black inventions…
Native Americans were given some compensation for what the whites did to them.
Japanese were given some compensation for the Internment camps
Were blacks given any kind of compensation? No. That 40 acres and Mule was a lie, most freed slaves were given nothing. They had no education, no money, the only thing they knew of America was that plantation.
To make things even that would mean things had to be fair right? How is that possible when everything was set out to limit and oppress blacks from the beginning.
After slavery came black codes which limited the blacks, later on came Jim Crow laws. Civil Rights movement came in the 1960s. Lets be realistic though, blacks weren’t able to get decent good paying jobs till the 70s so thats about what? 44 years go, and they are still suffering even now. Did you know that schools are more segregated now than they were in the 1950s?
How about the fact that whites are more likely to do illegal drugs but its black America thats facing the time?
Why are blacks deemed as trashy party goers, and hyper sexualized when its always been white teens?
Whites complain about affirmative actions but WHITE WOMAN are the biggest recipient.
I think America would be great if it was “even” but lets be real whites have the power, if they wanted it to be “even” they could be doing a lot more than the stuff they do now.
Its not just a black-white thing either. Other races have to deal with the unfairness of not being white. Native Americans are still struggling and are a minority in their OWN COUNTRY. Each race is struggling to get representation and have their own issues with this racist system. We live in a society where “White is right”.
With America’s history how you can think that it will ever be “even”? Whites have always been at the top, its not because blacks or other PoC wanted it that way its because they were forced into this system.
Bet you weren’t expecting all this. There more that could be said about all races dealing with whiteness.
But to answer your question it would take a LONGGGG time before things would be “even”. To make things “even” the WHOLE judicial, educational, and the structure of society would have to change.
oh wow this is a really cool link thank you! I probably have a shit load of cavities b/c I eat lots of sugar and carbs. I need to do all of that diet change, and oil pulling (but idk how it is physically possible to swish for 20 whole minutes?)
(this is a few days overdue obviously but i forgot to write it down)
i was at a starbucks, pretending to study, sitting across from a nice girl who was being very friendly and polite to me (she was with her friend). then the starbucks closed and the guy at the counter went away and i had a banana that i wanted to save for later so i shoved half of it up my vagina. i just shoved that peeled banana right up my vag like i was a squirrel/chipmunk/hamster and my vagina was my cheek pouch i stored food in to take to my nest. it got kinda smushed amd it wouldnt go all the way up so (i was wearing a skirt) i was afraid it’d be noticeable and i left the starbucks to another starbucks where there was another barista guy and i was trying to be inconspicuous with my banana vag and disheveled skirt
shut the fuck up about reverse racism
is it a thing? is it not a thing? WHO CARES
it’s not oppressing ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE, it’s not contributing to any kind of structural inequality WHATSOEVER or any kind of structural racism WHATSOEVER, and you all need to stop crying about it because it’s nOT A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT Anything IMPORTANT its only purpose is to distract us all from the REAL PROBLEMS of structural racism and classism so would you just stop???? it’s like mens rights activists trying to end a conversation about anything to do with women’s rights by saying “but men go through ___!!! so why arent we talking about that instead?”
i dont give a fuck about white peoples fake-ass “problems” in a country which THEY HOLD THE POWER, a country that most of them consider belongs to them and only them (lookin at u, conservatives), a country whos problems can all be stemmed from eurocentrism, white supremacy, imperialism/colonization, and (i argue) a disgusting boner for capitalism hA HA HA HA die
sick of it
the civil rights movement never was fully realized because all the white ppl were scared of the words “black power” and marxism and other legitimate things that would address classism and racial poverty, black solidarity and representation in politics, and we are here 50 yrs later with all of that abandoned and youre trying to make the conversation about YOu as a white person experiencing individual racism from a black person one time 2 years ago? why the fuck does that matter? this isnt about you, this was never about you, and it never will be.